Macaca
09-12 01:44 PM
Macaca-
If only wait times were as little as 2 yrs and 7 yrs...I might not even be fighting!!!
"Currently it takes 7+ years (after 2+ years on student visa) to become a resident."
This is not true in most cases. The F1 might be for 2 yrs minimum + 1 year EAD + at least 2 yrs on H1B before the GC process starts. Then its 7+ years...
So overall, we are talking 10+ years to get permanant residency in a majority of cases.
I think I am saying what you are saying!
Else what are reasonable numbers? I have added 1 year OPT.
"Skilled immigrants have waited patiently for 2+ years"
Are we just talking about 2 yrs to see if there is going to be some reform?
yes.
If only wait times were as little as 2 yrs and 7 yrs...I might not even be fighting!!!
"Currently it takes 7+ years (after 2+ years on student visa) to become a resident."
This is not true in most cases. The F1 might be for 2 yrs minimum + 1 year EAD + at least 2 yrs on H1B before the GC process starts. Then its 7+ years...
So overall, we are talking 10+ years to get permanant residency in a majority of cases.
I think I am saying what you are saying!
Else what are reasonable numbers? I have added 1 year OPT.
"Skilled immigrants have waited patiently for 2+ years"
Are we just talking about 2 yrs to see if there is going to be some reform?
yes.
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bobzibub
06-11 04:04 PM
I keep reading we should fight for out rights and all. I am just curious
where does it say if on is on H1B or F1, he or she has a right to get a GC. GC or citizenship is a privilege, we cant demand it or force someone to give it to us. Its a simple demand and supply situation, there are more visa seekers then there is availability and therefore there is a waiting period. i am not sure why we don't accept the simple fact that there are way too many people from developing country like ours moving to US, and not everyone can be accommodated ASAP. i think US has every right to do what it thinks is best for her, even if we don't agree with that,
And those who say its discrimination, discrimination is when people from Bihar are beaten up on the streets of mumbai cause they are taking jobs away from marathi manus. Had there been so many techies from around the world taking up jobs in India, we would have seen street lynching.
People don't come here to work for someone else. They come to work for themselves (and eventually) hire Americans. If USCIS released their internal data as they've been asked and the numbers show that you've got to wait two decades for a green card, that is tantamount to them hanging a sign saying: "We don't serve Indians; We don't serve Chinese." They might as well just close and wind down operations.
People come for economic opportunity, and economic opportunity when you work for someone else is limited. Certainly less than in Canada, India and China when you work for yourself. People bring their creativity and ideas and hard work and the US benefits immensely from this skilled labour pool. They've also come because USCIS has put the foot ball in front of them, only to pull it back after we're years into the process.
A sign saying "We don't serve Indians or Chinese" *is* discrimination. But I would also use the word "fraud" for that is what it is: We paid for an advertised service. We spent years waiting for that service. We did not get that service. Pretty simple.
where does it say if on is on H1B or F1, he or she has a right to get a GC. GC or citizenship is a privilege, we cant demand it or force someone to give it to us. Its a simple demand and supply situation, there are more visa seekers then there is availability and therefore there is a waiting period. i am not sure why we don't accept the simple fact that there are way too many people from developing country like ours moving to US, and not everyone can be accommodated ASAP. i think US has every right to do what it thinks is best for her, even if we don't agree with that,
And those who say its discrimination, discrimination is when people from Bihar are beaten up on the streets of mumbai cause they are taking jobs away from marathi manus. Had there been so many techies from around the world taking up jobs in India, we would have seen street lynching.
People don't come here to work for someone else. They come to work for themselves (and eventually) hire Americans. If USCIS released their internal data as they've been asked and the numbers show that you've got to wait two decades for a green card, that is tantamount to them hanging a sign saying: "We don't serve Indians; We don't serve Chinese." They might as well just close and wind down operations.
People come for economic opportunity, and economic opportunity when you work for someone else is limited. Certainly less than in Canada, India and China when you work for yourself. People bring their creativity and ideas and hard work and the US benefits immensely from this skilled labour pool. They've also come because USCIS has put the foot ball in front of them, only to pull it back after we're years into the process.
A sign saying "We don't serve Indians or Chinese" *is* discrimination. But I would also use the word "fraud" for that is what it is: We paid for an advertised service. We spent years waiting for that service. We did not get that service. Pretty simple.
bigboy007
06-02 08:43 PM
If the current law passes , god forbid it wont. It is indeed scary to many : Becoz its primarily becoz of all backlog processing centre Labors, H1 sixth year extensions etc. I dont know how the heck designed this draft and i am sure all those senators wouldnt havebeen aware of all these H1B , GC Employment based numbers some staffer would have done this .
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test101
07-06 05:46 PM
Ok here I go again in this Chicken and Egg situation......
Now that someone filed a lawsuit to invalidate the July VB, which BTW is still CURRENT.......it could invalidate the CURRENT sttatus....of all Eb categories....precisely what DOS USCIS wants....
My head is spinning.......Beer anyone?
join the club...news make no sence at all.
Now that someone filed a lawsuit to invalidate the July VB, which BTW is still CURRENT.......it could invalidate the CURRENT sttatus....of all Eb categories....precisely what DOS USCIS wants....
My head is spinning.......Beer anyone?
join the club...news make no sence at all.
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waitforevergc
06-11 10:18 AM
All,
When this July bulletin was released, I had given the following points in that thread.
I am seriously considering this. Indian economy is going to go leaps and bounds and I dont want to miss out on that. And wait here in the whims and fancies and their ridiculous illogical visa bulletins by these people. They shouldnt harass and take Indians for a ride. We are paying our taxes and all the fees and what not. Still they prefer illegals over us.
Enough is enough. I have self respect.
Looking at this visa movement for the past year and the current economy, I am just giving up hope to get GC in this country folks.
I am seriously thinking about going back to India. The reasons I was proding over are:
1. Well.. first and foremost, no hope of visa movement in near future.
2. Employer uncertainty. The company is not doing too well.
3. Tough job market and US economy will drag like this for another 2-3 years.
4. If they lay me off, I will have to find another job first. I havent even applied for 485 yet, so no EAD and priority date is Feb 2008
5. Restart GC again which is another excruciating process - moneywise, timewise.
6. Wait again in the line for visa movement
7. No career advancement because cannot jump companies and I am already early 30's. (I am non-IT). Career is stagnant, company doing very small projects.
8. Cannot even think of having kids because job and life here is hanging by a thread.
9. Cannot buy a house in this market. Its not that I dont have money, was thinking, if I lose the job, I wont get much time to sell it off and I will have to incur losses.
10. India is doing well and going to to do well in the future.
Is anyone else thinking on these lines?
When this July bulletin was released, I had given the following points in that thread.
I am seriously considering this. Indian economy is going to go leaps and bounds and I dont want to miss out on that. And wait here in the whims and fancies and their ridiculous illogical visa bulletins by these people. They shouldnt harass and take Indians for a ride. We are paying our taxes and all the fees and what not. Still they prefer illegals over us.
Enough is enough. I have self respect.
Looking at this visa movement for the past year and the current economy, I am just giving up hope to get GC in this country folks.
I am seriously thinking about going back to India. The reasons I was proding over are:
1. Well.. first and foremost, no hope of visa movement in near future.
2. Employer uncertainty. The company is not doing too well.
3. Tough job market and US economy will drag like this for another 2-3 years.
4. If they lay me off, I will have to find another job first. I havent even applied for 485 yet, so no EAD and priority date is Feb 2008
5. Restart GC again which is another excruciating process - moneywise, timewise.
6. Wait again in the line for visa movement
7. No career advancement because cannot jump companies and I am already early 30's. (I am non-IT). Career is stagnant, company doing very small projects.
8. Cannot even think of having kids because job and life here is hanging by a thread.
9. Cannot buy a house in this market. Its not that I dont have money, was thinking, if I lose the job, I wont get much time to sell it off and I will have to incur losses.
10. India is doing well and going to to do well in the future.
Is anyone else thinking on these lines?
vinzak
12-10 04:09 PM
Source:
Visa Bulletin for January 2010 (http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_4597.html)
Should Section 202(a)(5) be applied, the rate of number use in the Employment preference category would continue to be monitored to determine whether subsequent adjustments are needed in visa availability for oversubscribed countries. This action provides the best possible assurance that all available Employment preference numbers will be used, while still ensuring that numbers remain available for applicants from all other countries that have not yet reached their per-country limit.
Does this mean that spill over is not "quarterly" as we've been discussing, but rather at the discretion of DOS as to when they will spill over?
While the added text as explanation in the bulletin is appreciated, it really doesn't clarify anything for me, so somebody please explain!!!
Visa Bulletin for January 2010 (http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_4597.html)
Should Section 202(a)(5) be applied, the rate of number use in the Employment preference category would continue to be monitored to determine whether subsequent adjustments are needed in visa availability for oversubscribed countries. This action provides the best possible assurance that all available Employment preference numbers will be used, while still ensuring that numbers remain available for applicants from all other countries that have not yet reached their per-country limit.
Does this mean that spill over is not "quarterly" as we've been discussing, but rather at the discretion of DOS as to when they will spill over?
While the added text as explanation in the bulletin is appreciated, it really doesn't clarify anything for me, so somebody please explain!!!
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caliguy
09-09 03:05 AM
Good luck guys! Thanks for all the hard work each of you are putting in.
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obviously
09-14 05:33 PM
Looks like some people will need to get their PhD awards 'overturned'!
Gctest, Pallavi79 etc present a faulty hypothesis and case to mask and promote their myopic self-interests.
e.g. "Eb2 people are highly qualified compared to EB3" - Nowhere in US immigration-based legislation do we find such support for such a categorical assertion.
EB categories are EMPLOYMENT BASED - simply put, the requirements of the job determine EB category. Not whether one is smarter than the other.
There is another 10+ page thread on this very topic where this issue has been examined threadbare. Based on current law there is nothing illegal in this porting practice. Also, there is no place for 'ethical' categorization in the letter of the law.
Porting is a legally supported practice which is tied to LABOR and JOB requirements, not to one's esteemed sense of self worth.
There are numerous BUSINESS reasons why EB3 to EB2 porting is allowed. Why not focus on other forms of irrational immigration practice like the 7% quotas which amount to discrimination based on national origin?
Gctest, Pallavi79 etc present a faulty hypothesis and case to mask and promote their myopic self-interests.
e.g. "Eb2 people are highly qualified compared to EB3" - Nowhere in US immigration-based legislation do we find such support for such a categorical assertion.
EB categories are EMPLOYMENT BASED - simply put, the requirements of the job determine EB category. Not whether one is smarter than the other.
There is another 10+ page thread on this very topic where this issue has been examined threadbare. Based on current law there is nothing illegal in this porting practice. Also, there is no place for 'ethical' categorization in the letter of the law.
Porting is a legally supported practice which is tied to LABOR and JOB requirements, not to one's esteemed sense of self worth.
There are numerous BUSINESS reasons why EB3 to EB2 porting is allowed. Why not focus on other forms of irrational immigration practice like the 7% quotas which amount to discrimination based on national origin?
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mrajatish
04-26 10:00 AM
On a side note, some countries have treaty with US where there SS/Medicare is moved to the SS/Medicare systems in these countries. If India/China had these treaties, we would be well served. Instead of asking the US govt. to fix the problem, we should push our governments to solve this - I believe NASSCOMM has been trying something like this.
And this is a completely separate issue from getting GC here, if you want GC here, you should focus on getting that instead of getting your SS back. However, there might be a percentage who wants to go back after 6 years in H1 and they should form an alliance and push the Indian/Chinese/other govts to act on their behalf to get their money back.
It is important that we get a single message across to law makers now - reduce Green card wait times and make employees less dependent on the whims of the employers regardless of your category of application and country of birth.
And this is a completely separate issue from getting GC here, if you want GC here, you should focus on getting that instead of getting your SS back. However, there might be a percentage who wants to go back after 6 years in H1 and they should form an alliance and push the Indian/Chinese/other govts to act on their behalf to get their money back.
It is important that we get a single message across to law makers now - reduce Green card wait times and make employees less dependent on the whims of the employers regardless of your category of application and country of birth.
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amitjoey
07-13 04:45 PM
Please add little personal details, Post it with a stamp, no need for certified copy. Add your name, address and contact no, in a letter format. so you can get a response.
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eb3_nepa
03-13 01:24 PM
Looking through the ammendments, one that stuck out was about the drunk driving conviction. The ammendment makes it a deportable crime. Well, not that we would ever be stupid enough to drink and drive. But, if you do, and you get caught, be aware of the serious implications it may have.
Arihant, i thought that was only for illegals. Somehow i dont think that Drunk driving is one of our major problems ;-)
Arihant, i thought that was only for illegals. Somehow i dont think that Drunk driving is one of our major problems ;-)
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chi_shark
02-23 12:51 PM
people,
i just returned from an infopass meeting... the guy i talked to said that they recently have a directive from the DHS/USCIS that they want to separate the legal stuff from the illegal stuff and hence they are planning to adjudicate a record number of EB apps in the next quarter or two... does anyone else concur? is this true or were my ears just ringing in that meeting?
--shark
i just returned from an infopass meeting... the guy i talked to said that they recently have a directive from the DHS/USCIS that they want to separate the legal stuff from the illegal stuff and hence they are planning to adjudicate a record number of EB apps in the next quarter or two... does anyone else concur? is this true or were my ears just ringing in that meeting?
--shark
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eb3_nepa
07-14 01:30 PM
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JA1HIND
04-01 08:07 PM
Excuse me...What do u wanna ask the USCIS? U wanna put ur hand where it dozn't belong to? Good luck with that!!! I dont mind so many red dots. But I just wanna make my point. Just imagine one thing... U have a family. Someone from the outside doesn't like the way you are treating ur wife and asks u to divorce ur wife. How wud u feel? U r a NOBODY. Dont u get it? U just cant change a foreign land's system. Protest, conduct rallies...thats fine. But u have no rights to dig and delve into how USCIS is functioning. U R A NOBODY.
Dard-E-Disco I have read some of your comments on this thread.. and feel sorry for your state of mind....until you feel better and get back to your normal senses here is the URL you may want to try and this will keep you busy for sometime.. http://edtech.kennesaw.edu/web/alphabet.html
look at your comments that are just useless, second hand and hopeless imagination.....when you get a chance in your free time go and get your brain screws tightened, you may feel better ...good luck:D
Dard-E-Disco I have read some of your comments on this thread.. and feel sorry for your state of mind....until you feel better and get back to your normal senses here is the URL you may want to try and this will keep you busy for sometime.. http://edtech.kennesaw.edu/web/alphabet.html
look at your comments that are just useless, second hand and hopeless imagination.....when you get a chance in your free time go and get your brain screws tightened, you may feel better ...good luck:D
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vin13
02-23 01:55 PM
Processing dates for 485 seems to have greatly improved at NSC. Hopefully now they start issueing based on the priority date.
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tikka
07-05 01:34 PM
I just used the letter above (slightly edited) to email senators Bennett and Hatch from Utah.
Today I made my first $100.00 contribution to IV. Go IV!
for your contribution :)
Today I made my first $100.00 contribution to IV. Go IV!
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09-15 04:16 PM
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ItIsNotFunny
10-21 11:47 AM
Mail buddy Mail.
Its nice to have interest in talking about Obama or McCain is good for immigration but irony is, that discussion is not going to help us as they don't care for non-voters.
Lets have focused energy attack in right direction. Keep mailing, lets have 500 mails by this week. This is not unrealistic.
Its nice to have interest in talking about Obama or McCain is good for immigration but irony is, that discussion is not going to help us as they don't care for non-voters.
Lets have focused energy attack in right direction. Keep mailing, lets have 500 mails by this week. This is not unrealistic.
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guyfromsg
08-21 12:13 AM
I live in Georgia and I agree with you all. All these DMVs were sleeping and woke up after 9/11 and imposing these strict rules that makes everyone's life miserable. Unless you live in a city life will be hell without DL and we are sweating it over every time a renewal comes up. How am I suppose to explain DMV guy about I-94, H1 extension etc. Even some immigration officers in airport give wrong I-94 expiry date without understanding the difference between visa stamp and extension.
abracadabra
07-06 01:29 PM
Lets see how this rumours comes out
zappy
06-04 08:59 AM
I got my GC couple of weeks ago and IV has been like a true supportive friend throughout my long wait for this day.
As a way to 'celebrate' my GC, made a Contribution of $500.00 via PayPal.
"This email confirms that you have paid Immigration Voice (donations@immigrationvoice.org) $500.00 USD using PayPal."
As a way to 'celebrate' my GC, made a Contribution of $500.00 via PayPal.
"This email confirms that you have paid Immigration Voice (donations@immigrationvoice.org) $500.00 USD using PayPal."
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