WAIT_FOR_EVER_GC
09-04 08:14 PM
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i think there is more smartness needed than luck in the greencard process. If you look at the posts in this thread there are some people that came to usa in 1990s and still waiting, while some that came much later are on their way to citizenship. Some got the eb2 route and are happy and some in eb3 have only gloom before them.
This in my opinion has helped smart folks among us:
- they applied for gc as soon as possible. Those who waited did not give importance to greencard as soon as they started a job in usa are now paying for their mistakes. During the initial days of career i have seen people saying that gc is not important to them etc but when their h1b is about to expire they panic and get desperate for green card.
** even if a person starts the gc process in the initial days, he/she may find another better job than what they are doing now. You can't just stay with a desi blood sucker if your gc process has been started by that company.
Someone who has applied in june 2002 under eb3 never thought that he/she will be stuck for so long. This is because of the amnesty given by the bush administration in 2001.
This is pure luck.**
- before pre-perm era in 2005, smart folks took up jobs in states where labor certification had no backlog. They are now either waiting for citizenship or already citizens. On the other hand people in states like ca, ny etc suffered due to labor backlogs and far from getting greencard in hand.
** in pre-perm era some companies started opening dummy companies in states like delaware, maine, iowa, nebraska .. Etc, and applied labor from those states. Few people were lucky that they could get through this route.
One of my friend got stuck using this route, he had to change the company as uscis had
started questioning the companies.
If you are talking about getting hired by a company who is based out of such states is very difficult because these states do not have much jobs in the information technology sector.
- any company can be good or bad for an individual. It it not a question of consulting vs fortune 500 or small vs big size of a company. Smart folks know what matters them the most when they join a company. When company sees them as a valuable asset, it applies for them. I have seen where company applied for gc as soon as the employee joined it. And i have seen posts where people had to wait for several years before company applied.
** every desi blood sucking company till now tries to take as much advantage as possible and will file the gc when there is no other go.
- people who took advantage of the labor substitution got faster labors. Some could take advantage of eb2 labors and they are very fortunate. This is in no way endorsing the labor substitution rule, but in pre 2007 times nobody was protesting against it. This is a sad reality.
- smart folks took the risk and changed jobs wth eb2 job requirements, so that they can file in eb2. Such folks with 2007 pd are happy today and people with 2003 pds in eb3 will have to wait for a long time.
- if you read posts on this thread, many people have posted that they feel they are being screwed by their employer or lawyer. But hardly anyone has said they took any action against it. This is also a sad reality where we as a community have failed and will continue to suffer.
** what type of action are you talking about. Who has the money to hire another lawyer to fight against these people. The only action one could have taken is to leave the company. But as a matter of fact all the desi companies are the same.
If you are talking about getting hired by big companies then tell me seriously how many companies are willing to go through the paper work and file h1-b. During the 2001 recession tell me how many big companies were hiring.
A drawback of the big companies is that if your are fired you loose your gc process, if you are working for a consulting company you have option of consulting and your greencard process is still intact.
- many folks have said that they thought they were in eb2. But found they are in eb3. This shows another weakness of our community and lack of awareness. Iv forum tries to spread the awareness but unless an individual takes initiative, they will suffer.
Many people were able to file i485 in july 2007 due to iv effort. Imagine a 2004 eb3 india person without ead today? How will he survive a job loss on h1b in a bad economy? We should take a lesson from that event and try for another big push. There is no other shortcut for us. It is shocking to find people on this thread that are in this country for more than 10 years and without a green card. These folks should be the most vocal folks in this effort.
being vocal is another story
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i think there is more smartness needed than luck in the greencard process. If you look at the posts in this thread there are some people that came to usa in 1990s and still waiting, while some that came much later are on their way to citizenship. Some got the eb2 route and are happy and some in eb3 have only gloom before them.
This in my opinion has helped smart folks among us:
- they applied for gc as soon as possible. Those who waited did not give importance to greencard as soon as they started a job in usa are now paying for their mistakes. During the initial days of career i have seen people saying that gc is not important to them etc but when their h1b is about to expire they panic and get desperate for green card.
** even if a person starts the gc process in the initial days, he/she may find another better job than what they are doing now. You can't just stay with a desi blood sucker if your gc process has been started by that company.
Someone who has applied in june 2002 under eb3 never thought that he/she will be stuck for so long. This is because of the amnesty given by the bush administration in 2001.
This is pure luck.**
- before pre-perm era in 2005, smart folks took up jobs in states where labor certification had no backlog. They are now either waiting for citizenship or already citizens. On the other hand people in states like ca, ny etc suffered due to labor backlogs and far from getting greencard in hand.
** in pre-perm era some companies started opening dummy companies in states like delaware, maine, iowa, nebraska .. Etc, and applied labor from those states. Few people were lucky that they could get through this route.
One of my friend got stuck using this route, he had to change the company as uscis had
started questioning the companies.
If you are talking about getting hired by a company who is based out of such states is very difficult because these states do not have much jobs in the information technology sector.
- any company can be good or bad for an individual. It it not a question of consulting vs fortune 500 or small vs big size of a company. Smart folks know what matters them the most when they join a company. When company sees them as a valuable asset, it applies for them. I have seen where company applied for gc as soon as the employee joined it. And i have seen posts where people had to wait for several years before company applied.
** every desi blood sucking company till now tries to take as much advantage as possible and will file the gc when there is no other go.
- people who took advantage of the labor substitution got faster labors. Some could take advantage of eb2 labors and they are very fortunate. This is in no way endorsing the labor substitution rule, but in pre 2007 times nobody was protesting against it. This is a sad reality.
- smart folks took the risk and changed jobs wth eb2 job requirements, so that they can file in eb2. Such folks with 2007 pd are happy today and people with 2003 pds in eb3 will have to wait for a long time.
- if you read posts on this thread, many people have posted that they feel they are being screwed by their employer or lawyer. But hardly anyone has said they took any action against it. This is also a sad reality where we as a community have failed and will continue to suffer.
** what type of action are you talking about. Who has the money to hire another lawyer to fight against these people. The only action one could have taken is to leave the company. But as a matter of fact all the desi companies are the same.
If you are talking about getting hired by big companies then tell me seriously how many companies are willing to go through the paper work and file h1-b. During the 2001 recession tell me how many big companies were hiring.
A drawback of the big companies is that if your are fired you loose your gc process, if you are working for a consulting company you have option of consulting and your greencard process is still intact.
- many folks have said that they thought they were in eb2. But found they are in eb3. This shows another weakness of our community and lack of awareness. Iv forum tries to spread the awareness but unless an individual takes initiative, they will suffer.
Many people were able to file i485 in july 2007 due to iv effort. Imagine a 2004 eb3 india person without ead today? How will he survive a job loss on h1b in a bad economy? We should take a lesson from that event and try for another big push. There is no other shortcut for us. It is shocking to find people on this thread that are in this country for more than 10 years and without a green card. These folks should be the most vocal folks in this effort.
being vocal is another story
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07-15 11:56 AM
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12-16 03:37 PM
I'snt tracker broken (Sorting by PD ) for some time now.
We will improve it soon. But the data is still useful.
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Jimi_Hendrix
11-27 11:18 AM
Hi All,
Thank you to all those who attended the first meeting! I am attaching the excel file for you to complete. I have included instructions in the file itself but let me know if you have questions. Please fill all the columns against your name.
Our next meeting will be on Thursday at 7pm PST. The tasks for our next meeting are as follows:
1) Complete the excel sheet (instructions are included).
2) Brainstorm about possible locations where we can put up a booth to register new members � someone had proposed contacting student body at UCI, we can discuss this.
3) Take a look at the IV power point presentation and propose how we can tailor it to our needs. We need a presentation to show to our house reps when we visit them (This will be found on the resources page)
4) Go through the IV template for business cards along with instructions to modify the template and to print the business cards. (this will be found on resources page)
Please let me know if you have any other questions. The conference call information is the same as last time:
Conference Dial-In: (712) 432-3000
Conference Bridge: 227974
Cheers,
Amit
Thank you to all those who attended the first meeting! I am attaching the excel file for you to complete. I have included instructions in the file itself but let me know if you have questions. Please fill all the columns against your name.
Our next meeting will be on Thursday at 7pm PST. The tasks for our next meeting are as follows:
1) Complete the excel sheet (instructions are included).
2) Brainstorm about possible locations where we can put up a booth to register new members � someone had proposed contacting student body at UCI, we can discuss this.
3) Take a look at the IV power point presentation and propose how we can tailor it to our needs. We need a presentation to show to our house reps when we visit them (This will be found on the resources page)
4) Go through the IV template for business cards along with instructions to modify the template and to print the business cards. (this will be found on resources page)
Please let me know if you have any other questions. The conference call information is the same as last time:
Conference Dial-In: (712) 432-3000
Conference Bridge: 227974
Cheers,
Amit
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isedkeem
03-06 10:11 AM
Sorry to hear about your ordeals. The good news is that EB3- ROW should move forward at a good clip in a few months - some estimates from a lawyer I talked to seem to indicate a jump into early 2006 by the end of this year, so hang in there and remember that it is darkest before dawn.
If you are keen on a backup, have you considered immigrating to New Zealand? It is a great option if you need a peaceful life and the weather is just like California (unlike Canada) and they have universal health care too. For people who have worked in the US for a few years in recognized fields, NZ is quite easy to immigrate to and very quick. Your English seems to be quite good so I don't see why you should be so disheartened. I guess this advice also applies to Indians who are frustrated with the delays.
Good luck!
Immigrating legally to the U.S seemed like a gold opportunity when I was offered to work here six years ago with an H1B visa. As a matter of fact, all my friends and family considered that it would have been crazy not to take advantage of the "opportunity" to live and work in the most developed country on Earth.
It's been six long years of challenges and learning experiences, but mostly it's been six years of financial distress, anxiety, paralysis and uncertainty.
We applied for PR four years ago, but in the process my wife and I have eaten all our saving in lawyer fees - and at this point we're just one more number in the long list of EB3 applicants who don't have the remotest idea of when visa numbers will become available so we can have a normal life. I don't even consider traveling to my country cause I don't have the money to pay for APs for me and my wife. My career has been also frozen since I cant take promotions to higher positions that will fall off the job description stated in my PERM.
If I had known about this ordeal, I would have never come to the US. I would have looked for other options, in countries that have a more sincere and generous immigration policies instead. If the US is not interested in allowing people to legally immigrate through visas based on employment, they simply should eliminate these visas and make clear that they don't want us to stay. Wouldn't that be easy for everyone?
I would return to my country if we didn't have a nasty political turmoil and the social decay that comes with it. Yet, I feel that the days go by and our lives are entangled in this absurd situation.
If you are keen on a backup, have you considered immigrating to New Zealand? It is a great option if you need a peaceful life and the weather is just like California (unlike Canada) and they have universal health care too. For people who have worked in the US for a few years in recognized fields, NZ is quite easy to immigrate to and very quick. Your English seems to be quite good so I don't see why you should be so disheartened. I guess this advice also applies to Indians who are frustrated with the delays.
Good luck!
Immigrating legally to the U.S seemed like a gold opportunity when I was offered to work here six years ago with an H1B visa. As a matter of fact, all my friends and family considered that it would have been crazy not to take advantage of the "opportunity" to live and work in the most developed country on Earth.
It's been six long years of challenges and learning experiences, but mostly it's been six years of financial distress, anxiety, paralysis and uncertainty.
We applied for PR four years ago, but in the process my wife and I have eaten all our saving in lawyer fees - and at this point we're just one more number in the long list of EB3 applicants who don't have the remotest idea of when visa numbers will become available so we can have a normal life. I don't even consider traveling to my country cause I don't have the money to pay for APs for me and my wife. My career has been also frozen since I cant take promotions to higher positions that will fall off the job description stated in my PERM.
If I had known about this ordeal, I would have never come to the US. I would have looked for other options, in countries that have a more sincere and generous immigration policies instead. If the US is not interested in allowing people to legally immigrate through visas based on employment, they simply should eliminate these visas and make clear that they don't want us to stay. Wouldn't that be easy for everyone?
I would return to my country if we didn't have a nasty political turmoil and the social decay that comes with it. Yet, I feel that the days go by and our lives are entangled in this absurd situation.
danu2007
05-22 05:02 PM
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indyanguy
08-20 04:52 PM
USCIS_COMPLAINT is an inactive email account should be reported to the Ombudsman as well.
As for management,following are responsible for NSC:-
Director: Gerard Heinauer
Deputy Director: Gregory W. Christian
Yep, my email bounced back as well. Do you happen to have emails for the Director and the Dy. Director?
As for management,following are responsible for NSC:-
Director: Gerard Heinauer
Deputy Director: Gregory W. Christian
Yep, my email bounced back as well. Do you happen to have emails for the Director and the Dy. Director?
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himu73
04-02 03:35 PM
Surprising but true. This was last week aroung march 23,06
Does anyone such cases.
Does anyone such cases.
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09-11 01:55 PM
Paypal Confirmation Number: 7R258466SC5551342.
Just contributed another 100. Notified some freinds about the drive as well.
now or never GC.
I am going to DC.
Just contributed another 100. Notified some freinds about the drive as well.
now or never GC.
I am going to DC.
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paskal
09-30 04:07 PM
USCIS can process recaptured numbers. If 200k numbers are in one year USCIS will plan for 200k numbers in that year.In 2000 they processed more applications after a immigration reform. One way of preventing wastage is plan to process all the applications in 11 months. If any unused numbers can be processed in that one month.
if they give green cards for sucking up?
and by your usual logic, why can't they plan for 140,000 every year? they know in advance don't they? there has been a year in which almost half the green cards were wasted- look it up yourself- the fact remains that they waste every year and it is useless to expect that they will suddenly and consistently do much more than is being asked now. unless...something changes...
just for my info do you find anything at all wrong with the whole process? or are we just misguided fools that you are here to educate?
if they give green cards for sucking up?
and by your usual logic, why can't they plan for 140,000 every year? they know in advance don't they? there has been a year in which almost half the green cards were wasted- look it up yourself- the fact remains that they waste every year and it is useless to expect that they will suddenly and consistently do much more than is being asked now. unless...something changes...
just for my info do you find anything at all wrong with the whole process? or are we just misguided fools that you are here to educate?
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IAMINQ
02-04 07:28 AM
I got my labor approved from Philadelphai Backlog Center around Dec ' 2005. It was filed in March 2004 (RIR). If anyone needs more info mail me.
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06-25 12:01 PM
Got approved just now. Labor filed EB3 on 23rd Feb Govt job. Thinsg are moving ... Best of luck to all !!!
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Dude ,
You owe us all a plate of Panipuri each .:D CONGRATS once again . Enjoy your day .
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Dude ,
You owe us all a plate of Panipuri each .:D CONGRATS once again . Enjoy your day .
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02-27 11:47 PM
is there any hope for bridge legislation in '08?....or this year will pass by due to the elections?......is there any realistic chance of bridge amenment ever being passed?....i am starting to lose hope now......
no hope.. everything has made mess!!
no hope.. everything has made mess!!
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nixstor
07-06 11:20 AM
People are burying these posts as spam.. can we do something to make sure that doesnt happen?
I guess that tells how much public cares about our GC's. We want to spice up the story by adding other issues that can make our situation worse.
The only way we can get 4000 diggs is by having every info lurker digg it and individual comments.
I guess that tells how much public cares about our GC's. We want to spice up the story by adding other issues that can make our situation worse.
The only way we can get 4000 diggs is by having every info lurker digg it and individual comments.
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jhokimi
04-26 12:46 PM
Filed in RIR DC on 04/28/2004. No 45 day letter yet!
Anyone else from DC in the same case?
Anyone else from DC in the same case?
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Libra
07-06 12:35 PM
Yeah because we already sent applications before bulletin revised:D
Something is cooking and they try to cover their as.... before the legal action takes its stand....:-)), but it is too late for them..
Something is cooking and they try to cover their as.... before the legal action takes its stand....:-)), but it is too late for them..
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makemygc
08-12 01:28 PM
Srikondo man,
I dont care your fight with 'buddyinus' or your friendship with 'frankzulu' and whether you were travelling by air/car/ship - I would like to ask you a SIMPLE question.
You started this thread saying that USCIS has a "deadline" for completing stuffs last Monday or last last Friday.... All of us trusted you that time - Could you please give us a responsible answer or status Update.
I hope you will reply this time.
Thanks,
I guess forum is all about sharing information that we gather from different sources. No body can assert anything not even USCIS. They open up the gate for all July filer, then closed it and then re-open it again when many protested. So, when someone shared the news that USCIS is not going to accept the july filings, everyone mocked him but that came out to be true.
Forum is all about sharing information. It depends on our judgement as how much we want to believe on that. Srikondji shared some information which he learned from the CRs, now it's up to you if you want to blindly follow that or use that information as a way to curb your anxiety.
People started cursing logiclife when he posted about the FAQ4 to be released by friday and it didn't. But it did came after 2-3 days. So someone who shared that info with Core might have just said we are trying our best to come up with FAQ4 and will release it by Friday and core shared that info with everyone. But that doesn't mean that people should take that info as if it doesn't come on Friday, it will be the end of the world and core should loose his credibility. FAQ4 did came after couple of days and all those people who were cursing logiclife were no where to be seen.
If you put up a clause that no-one should share the info, unless you have a word from God, I guess we'll not have more than 2 or 3 threads here.
So guys..bottom line is stop fighting over what someone said or not, concentrate on what you are doing about it.
As someone rightly said, "Listen to all but do what you think is right". There is similar adage in hindi but I'm not using hindi so that everyone can understand it.
Hope you understand.
I dont care your fight with 'buddyinus' or your friendship with 'frankzulu' and whether you were travelling by air/car/ship - I would like to ask you a SIMPLE question.
You started this thread saying that USCIS has a "deadline" for completing stuffs last Monday or last last Friday.... All of us trusted you that time - Could you please give us a responsible answer or status Update.
I hope you will reply this time.
Thanks,
I guess forum is all about sharing information that we gather from different sources. No body can assert anything not even USCIS. They open up the gate for all July filer, then closed it and then re-open it again when many protested. So, when someone shared the news that USCIS is not going to accept the july filings, everyone mocked him but that came out to be true.
Forum is all about sharing information. It depends on our judgement as how much we want to believe on that. Srikondji shared some information which he learned from the CRs, now it's up to you if you want to blindly follow that or use that information as a way to curb your anxiety.
People started cursing logiclife when he posted about the FAQ4 to be released by friday and it didn't. But it did came after 2-3 days. So someone who shared that info with Core might have just said we are trying our best to come up with FAQ4 and will release it by Friday and core shared that info with everyone. But that doesn't mean that people should take that info as if it doesn't come on Friday, it will be the end of the world and core should loose his credibility. FAQ4 did came after couple of days and all those people who were cursing logiclife were no where to be seen.
If you put up a clause that no-one should share the info, unless you have a word from God, I guess we'll not have more than 2 or 3 threads here.
So guys..bottom line is stop fighting over what someone said or not, concentrate on what you are doing about it.
As someone rightly said, "Listen to all but do what you think is right". There is similar adage in hindi but I'm not using hindi so that everyone can understand it.
Hope you understand.
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snathan
02-09 10:24 PM
Sure. I feel sorry for you. My family doesnt live off my money nor my inlaws :) and no body has ever asked me for it. Gifts sure. I buy them myself. Not that they expect it :)
Well. Your parents and in laws may not need your money. But defintely IV needs it. So contribute at
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23597&page=1000
Well. Your parents and in laws may not need your money. But defintely IV needs it. So contribute at
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23597&page=1000
Positive
05-05 08:34 AM
Thank you for all of you who made the calls.
Calls are only the start. Remember, the other side is also doing the same -sometimes outsourcing calls.
Remember we all spend hours in US consulates waiting for our turn. What is now stopping us to make a personal visit. Explaining your story in person is far more effective than a call or an email.
Calls are only the start. Remember, the other side is also doing the same -sometimes outsourcing calls.
Remember we all spend hours in US consulates waiting for our turn. What is now stopping us to make a personal visit. Explaining your story in person is far more effective than a call or an email.
santb1975
07-16 11:11 AM
People receive emails about info. posted on state chapters. I have asked other chapter leads to post on their chapter boards as well. I am not sure if we have a consolidated, updated and verified list of all the members across all the state chapters to be able to send an email at this time.
Admins
is it possible to send an email, probably daily once to all members about High Five ?
I feel that most of the members are not aware at this time. Usually when ever something is happening live at senate or congress, more members visit and follow the proceedings. Since there is nothing like that right now, i think it's time to communicate to all of'em.
Just a thought to increase the momentum. This is a great initiative indeed in this tough economy
By the way, i've mailed another check of $50 today morning, towards yesterday's target of $2000
Satya
Admins
is it possible to send an email, probably daily once to all members about High Five ?
I feel that most of the members are not aware at this time. Usually when ever something is happening live at senate or congress, more members visit and follow the proceedings. Since there is nothing like that right now, i think it's time to communicate to all of'em.
Just a thought to increase the momentum. This is a great initiative indeed in this tough economy
By the way, i've mailed another check of $50 today morning, towards yesterday's target of $2000
Satya
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